And that she looked at him as she died. He ran into Ceces bedroom and got on top of Shannan. I also think the MLM biz attracts people that are lost, and need to be directed and consumed by something. The phone was found in the cushions of that upstairs couch, not the downstairs couch. Would love your thoughts, please comment. Do you think her phone ended up where it was because thats how and where it left her hand? I would put the blame on Chris! Perhaps they had one via phone or text. @huey Please read todays post where it reads Death is simply not pretty, nor was it meant to be. I once witnessed where someone used Tequila in a hookah instead of water. This was the last time she was seen alive. And then it was turned off. ShanAnn used everyone in service to her addiction, without really appearing concerned for how it was affecting them. The body is that of a well-developed, well-nourished although decomposing Caucasian female whose appearance is generally No screams were heard in the middle of the night. A person who is killed and immediately wrapped up and taken out of the home within an hour isnt going to be in rigor in that time- the first rigor shows up in about 1-2 hours, and then takes about 12 hrs to fully develop Then dissipates again about 12 hours later. Everything else was secondary or something to be minimized so she could focus on her addiction. He knew right where to thump her neckher surgical site. Ella no tomaba ni la basura tampoco, lo dijo la nana de las bebs. That discussion included stating she couldnt afford to live in Colorado as a single mom, AND she would have to immediately pull the girls out of school to save money. They have no empathy, which enables them to be incrediably cruel, if it suits. The autopsy also made no references to elevated levels of any Thrive-related chemicals. She texted him the morning she left for Arizona thanking him for letting her hold him that morning. Was Niko Buried With Shan'ann Watts? Part of the evidence that he put into the trash. Thus, the little girls may have been unconscious but they were NOT COMPLETELY DEAD YET.and that is how oil got into their LUNGS !!!!!!!!! Supposedly he took them out of school and said they wouldnt be coming back. Yes, Posted Youtube videos shows that her office was messy. And I doubt this person is a doctor who can just diagnose ppl he doesnt know either. Jeremy Lindstromwondered if Shananns OCD and honey-do lists had gotten to Chris. Did you mention in your book that Shannan thought her marriage was wonderful and things started changing around the time your Hero Chris Watts started having an affair? So wheres the problem here? That does not necessarily equate to being a psychiatric disorder, just personal empowerment. He has an incredible amount of knowledge and has a lot of experience being an investigative reporter and author of many blogs and books. But yeah I really think he was being nicer to her to assure she had her guard down when he murdered her; which was when she was sleeping, on the sofa upstairs on her phone or laptop, or god forbid he initiated some kind of intimacy that turned into her death. ShanAnn was, to put it simply, addicted to her MLM lifestyle and that was the most important thing in her life. And the fact that theyd had a bankruptcy in 2015 apparently hadnt helped her wise up at all. If the children had cold pizza for tea at 7pm, that means they were still alive until at least 11pm. Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself. Chris went to an oil well job site to check out it. Is there any way you can send it to my email please. So the agent says what about strangling? what proof does this autopsy shows that chris beyond a reasonable doubt killed his kids?. If this is true, what a sad sad world we live in for the love of money is the root of all evil. Chris came home and gave consent to search and said that he found Shananns wedding ring on the night stand. I agree with you Jessica Her Dad stated that Shanann would often sleep on the sofa when he stayed at the house, and again when she was in NC after Chris arrived. Throw it away? Mark your theory makes a lot of sense. It was almost too much to absorb at one reading. Rude person. The DA mentioned that. Unless youd take that as he was going on the run with them, which I highly doubt. Blood Alcohol. He doesnt have a soul!!!!! So when he pulls her off theres not one last gasping breath, she dies at that exact moment and theres nothing Chris can do but kill Shannan!!!! 100% yes again), @Kim cadaver dogs dont just detect bodies they scent death, trauma sites, bodily fluids relating to death, and sites where arguments have taken place (they scent the adrenaline-type hormones released @Lisa if shed already died she would have not been engaged in the act of strangling her like he said. YES! Possible if the hips were gyrated slightly, titled vertically, the horizontal width could be reduced by an inch. As for the one person Im referring to I think ignoring them is pretty much a good idea (: Im not a contributor to this conversation. Heres what the autopsy says about Shananns cause of death: The autopsy report said that Shanann had a history of being reported missing and subsequently found unresponsive in obvious state of death in a shallow grave. The cause of death was Asphyxiation due to manual strangulation with Bruising of the Anterior strap muscles of the neck.. Was there no evidence of feces on the girls beds either so maybe they were not killed in bed? Once youre already unconscious from sleep & then start losing air from throttling it would make you very disoriented & hard to come to fully conscious state & fight back before losing total consciousness again. (Oh and the bra with pregnant women 100% The T and underwear sleep outfit? Its hard to fight a larger man off of you when held down, in fear of dying and trying to gasp for air. True Crime Analysis, Breakthroughs, Insights & Discussions Hosted by Bestselling Author Nick van der Leek. Strangleholds require little physical strength. I know that OCD was mentioned on several instances in the Discovery by those who knew her, but do they have the qualifications to make that diagnosis? Watts buried Shannan's body in a shallow grave and dumped his daughters' bodies into an oil tank at the oil and gas exploration site where he worked in Frederick, Colorado, US. She even labelled food in her kitchen. Chris is dead inside. I believe the DA said there was no evidence of fibers related to the smothering of Bella and Celeste. Thankfully that psych warned me I should take the children somewhere to be safe. I guess since theyre children and small its possible. It was already reported that Shannan evacuated her bowels when dying and that is why he took the sheet off, He told police that. Any attacking motion he made that Shanann saw, even for a second, would have prompted her to scream. Because you asked if I hurt her and I said no but I hurt her emotionally the agents said they already knew about Nikki which took Chris by surprise, he then realizes shes talked to the police. Because she was submerged in oil for four days. Much more interest in the case in his home state; in Wisconsin, hes just a number. I actually do not believe that there was any sedation to the girls or his wife. Thanks for making the reports public. Not whether you or most people would or wouldnt do that do you think Shanann was the type of person to do that? I guess my vanity rubbed off on her. didnt attempt it herself. Ive not discussed it here though, its in the books. In this day and age, OCD has become a replacement word for ritualistic behaviour and personal idiosyncrasies. Yes, there is a way to test whether bodies could be placed through the Thief Hatch with [or possibly without] breaking bones but youre not going to like it, Welcome to the Post Truth Phase of the Chris Watts Case, Exclusive Interview with the Lindstrom Couple, Proof The Third Baby Was All Chris Watts Idea, The Final Three Weeks of the Phone Data Review #2YearsAgoTodayCW. CeCe was face down no oil inside her. My closets and nightstand is much cleaner than hers and I dont have OCD. Shannan's cause of death was strangulation while an autopsy found crude oil in Bella and Celeste's throats, stomach and lungs. During decomposition, gasses cause stuff to come out but thats a different matter. I lived with one. And, as you point out in one of your replies to anothers comment about the oil in her body, there was no oil in her lungs, in her stomach yes, in her lungs no. He has to be asked if he EVER went to look at Bella and see what condition she was in. The girls were just in their pajamas; they werent wrapped in blankets. Notice she was undressed when found. She was organized but that is not OCD, same as me. Meredith Kercher is a famous example. Everyone on here who has mentioned ocd has an opinion formed by stereotypes theyve heard. Never mind! He kind of giggled & said like you mean like on TV like a magician. Nickole Atkinson on ABC: Shanann was very OCD Very hard to think a dad can do that but my ex just turned, didnt want any of his family anymore and still has very little contact for the past 8 years. Unless I missed it? Before I became a police officer- I was an EMT and I worked for 8 months for a company that transports dead bodies from where they die to funeral homes or the medical examiner. But I want to know so badly the time of death. COFFIN BIRTH OF BABY NICO!-Please read description TY Scrub The Surface 8.27K subscribers Subscribe 13K Share 1.5M views 4 years ago THIS VIDEO IS. Said it was part of the decomposition process. Was Shanann ever clinically diagnosed with OCD by a physician or a psychiatrist? Also this is awful but he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. I was in Colorado in the area on vacation the week this happened last August and the whole thing is sickening and deeply troubling to me. Isnt it coincidental that Chris saw her on top of CeCe & when he got into the room it was at the exact moment that CeCe died!!!! He eventually disappeared for long time, gave me house. She seemed to be in pajamas which indicates she got into bed, which sickly matches up with his barely got into bed remark, The sheets were stripped because they probably got pulled off anyway during the act. No. He didnt flip. Id recite a few examples from case law but I dont think youre really here to discuss anything. MYTH: OCD IS JUST ABOUT HAND-WASHING, CLEANING, AND BEING NEAT. Did she even go upstairs to sleep? How would you have reacted in her situation? My opinion, when Nicole Atkinson said Shanann was OCD, I think she was using the term loosely, as a description, not a diagnosed disorder. 2. The entire thing is one of the worst cases Ive ever heard of- and I think about those poor responders who retrieved the bodies May they find peace from those memories some day soon. Based on the clothing they were found in, probably Chris pretended to be asleep. Chris Watts was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife Shanann, their unborn child, and their two children, Celeste and Bella, ages 4 and 3. The kids had two wack jobs for parents. He said Shanann said she was going to a friends house with their two kids. It doesn't appear that the autopsy did a very thorough check. It DOES NOT make her a bad mother when I comment on what I saw and what I think. @Carol: OCD appears at least 5 times in the Discovery Documents. as former sheriffs deputy, mid 70s, (When females allowed on patrol) Chris only saw things with one lense. Even more common with pregnant women. Does this indicate that she was alive after being put into the oil tank? If that were in fact the equivalent of an $80,000 *salary*, they wouldnt have been behind on their mortgage and HOA dues. I wouldnt throw that out the window. *** Wearing a bra to bed is in fact QUITE common with busty women**. Reay & Holloway (1982) state that during neck holds, the blood flow to the head is reduced by 85% within six seconds. Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. So yeah sigh! smother someone with your bare handscover/press their nostrils and mouths. The reports had been sealed until the outcome of the trial. As noted by Crime Watch Daily, police recovered her body in the Frederick area. Chris worked at a petroleum manufacturing company. In terms of your comments about respect, you clearly have no respect for my work. She says did Shannan do something that made you do something? You can pooh-pooh OCD if its not you, but OCD especially for someone with a chronic disease tends to be quite significant. What information to that extent do you expect *an autopsy* to provide?? Thats contained in her autopsy report. In the case of Lacey Peterson, fecal matter *was* found in the house. I didnt see any evidence that Shanann tried to defend herself, probably because he sat on top of her. Like 1 in the kitchen by her purse. Neither of them passed any body fluids. would that be a normal time for Chris to leave for work? @Karen did she get dressed for bed, or did she simply take of her jeans, throw off her flip-flops and decide to settle down for a couple of hours sleep wearing the bra, panties and t-shirt that she arrived home in? Her legs would have been free, but if he was high up on her chest I doubt she would have been able to even get him with her knees, they would not have reached him. He had to be gripping her face pretty damn hard to leave fingerprint bruises along the left side of her face. Do you think that maybe she was actually just unconscious? The kids died afterward, otherwise he would have to break bones due to rigor to get them through the hatch. Shanann Watts Cause of Death: How Did the Colorado Mother Die? Netflix viewers believe a murdered wife sent police a clue from beyond the grave after spotting something "creepy" in the doco about her brutal murder at the hands of her cheating husband. First off she was supposed to have been in a rage enough to have been snuffing the life out of her daughter & then when she sees the object of her rage that caused this who then starts to fight with her & strangle her she doesnt dig her nails into him anywhere? If she was that tired, yes, Shannan could have left her suitcase and purse downstairs in her own home. Then again she was dressed for bed. I guess he did want to get rid of them all, and do it all over again with her. I remember one video where shes tasting one of the Thrive bars and effusing over how delicious it is, while one of her daughters cries with hunger in the background, and ShanAnn tells the poor child, No, you cant have this this is Mommys. Bella was wearing pink pajama-type top with images of hearts and butterflies. Poor thing. Its something so outside my wheelhouse that I didnt even know it could me done. Unless you count her phone. Chris Watts strangled and smothered his pregnant wife Shanann, 34, to death, before strangling their daughters Bella, 4, and Celeste, 3, with a blanket in 2018. I guess we would never know and it wouldnt make any difference on his sentence. CeCe did not have any marks & I attribute that to her age, not understanding what was happening & Im sure she lost consciousness quickly as she had breathing problems. He would have had more than enough access to ethanol or similar alcohols. Her death was the only one categorized as violent by the coroner How do THESE people know? But the way he disposed of their bodies and took them out of school, I dont believe that at all. Just like those rare occasions where you laughed so hard you peed in your pants, you will pee and poop in the spontaneous relaxation of your muscles following death. Both my kids were blue and they were gone. He still murdered a sick pregnant wife and two innocent children. In fact, I wonder if LeVel pulled some strings in Chris plea bargain it would certainly be better for the MLM to not have details about its pernicious effect on this familys finances coming out in a court trial. Do you have any family that said she had OCD? In the first half of this demo, you have them face to face when the attack occurs. She had a separate closest for her shoes & purses. 3. Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing. Not Shanann! Celestes was similar. Inhaling ethanol fumes would make them all instant drunk and completely defenseless. I love that guy. Weld County DA In the text, Shanann also tells Chris that he hasn't shown any signs of missing her in the weeks they have been apart. Will we ever know the order in which they were killed? All those purchases, that expensive leased SUV that LeVel would only give her a car allowance for if she kept her sales up, the expensive preschool, the too-big house with all the fancy furnishings, several closets full of expensive shoes-shoes-shoes (yet she wore the same pair of flipflops every day), multiple purses, more clothes than one person could possibly be using, on and on and on. Then I think he went into the girls rooms. I would like to read the discovery how do I find it? Based on Shanann having no defensive wounds, just the marks on her neck, I think he waited for her in bed, then after he felt she was either asleep or fully relaxed he rolled over on top of her and pinned her down somehow and then gripped around her neck. Watts isnt a trained jujitsu. For the sake that they did poop, youre assuming he didnt clean it up in the bed. Bella was face up in the oil tank. SWs flight delay was bad news, but since hed already gotten the girls out of the way, there was nothing left but to proceed with getting rid of SW and he almost got away with it. The manner of death is homicide, the autopsy report says. Why does there always gotta be one of those? Chris Watts destroyed three fully formed, perfect adults. The trauma dogs noted hot spots in the basement. Was the examiner not able to determine the order in which Shanann and the girls were killed? It is my observation that Bella was unconscious but still breathing when she was and stomped on her head to get her into the tank. Thanks for the paper, ganana Im with you on this. Anyway, this is the scenario I would paint if I were the prosecutor in the case. Or putting her down. Even in this scenario, you would expect fingernails in his forearm if Watts managed a rapid 10 second kill. This was the 6th MLM that ShanAnn had been involved in she was apparently a MLM junkie. 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