And the last voice that you hear singing at the end of our show is Cameron Kinghorn. If you live, All of this, as Dacher sees it now, led him deeper and deeper into investigating the primary experience of awe in human life moments when we have a sense of wonder, an experience of mystery, that transcends our understanding. Krista Tippett founded and leads "The On Being Project," hosts the globally esteemed On Being public radio show and podcast, and curates the "Civil Conversat. the truth is every song of this country In all kinds of lives, in all kinds of places, they are healers and social creatives. Something that you reflect on a lot that I would love to just draw you out on a bit is I think people who love language the most, and work with language, also are most intensely aware of the limits of language, and thats partly why youre working so hard. And if its weekly, theres a day of the week and you do it. several years later and a changed world later. Many of us were having different experiences. You will hear the voices of wise and graceful lives of former guests, and of listeners from far-flung places. And so, its so hard to speak of, to honor, to mark in this culture. I mean, isnt this therapeutic also for us all to laugh about this now, also to know that we can laugh about it now? On Being with Krista Tippett | 5 minute podcast summaries on Apple . And I was having this moment where I kept being like, Well, if I just deeply look at the world like I do, as poets do, I will feel a sense of belonging. Tippett: A lot of them are in the On Being studio, they come in the mail. This is like a self-care poem. body. The next-generation marine biologist Ayana Elizabeth Johnson would let that reality of belonging show us the way forward. And then what we find in the second poem is a kind of evolution. Amanda Ripley began her life as a journalist covering crime, disaster, and terrorism. not forgetting and star bodies and frozen birds, enough of the will to go on and not go on or how, a certain light does a certain thing, enough, of the kneeling and the rising and the looking. I remember writing this poem because I really love the word lover, and its a kind of polarizing word. But I think the biggest thing for me is to begin with silence. So maybe just to use a natural world metaphor to just dip our toes into the water, would you read Sanctuary? And place is always place. Jen Bailey, and so many of you. Tippett: Something that you reflect on a lot that I would love to just draw you out on a bit is I think people who love language the most, and work with language, also are most intensely aware of the limits of language, and thats partly why youre working so hard. But we dont need to belabor that. We know joy to be a life-giving, resilience-making human birthright. This is like a self-care poem. I mean, thats how we read. Join our constellation of listening and living. even the tenacious high school band off key. In fact, Krista interviewed the wise and wonderful . Learn more at kalliopeia.org. We are in the final weeks as On Being evolves to its next chapter in a world that is evolving, each of us changed in myriad ways weve only begun to process and fathom. The caesura and the line breaks, its breath. She is a former host of the poetry podcast The Slowdown, and she teaches in the MFA program at Queens University of Charlotte, in North Carolina. I write. Its still the elements. thats sung in silence when its too hard to go on, that sounds like someones rough fingers weaving, into anothers, that sounds like a match being lit, in an endless cave, the song that says my bones. But you said I dont know, I just happened to be I saw you again today. I have people who ask me, How do you write poems? And you talk about process. And then it hits you or something you, like you touch a doorknob, and it reminds you of your mothers doorknob. Yeah. and enough of the pointing to the world, weary What was it? Actually, thats in Bright Dead Things. We think were divided by issues, arguing about conflicting facts. you can keep it until its needed, until you can Limn: Yeah. We are in the final weeks as On Being evolves to its next chapter in a world that is evolving, each of us changed in myriad ways weve only begun to process and fathom. Tippett: I have your books, and theres some, too. writes the word lover in a note and Im strangely, excited for the word lover to come back. So how to get out? At a special TEDPrize@UN, journalist Krista Tippett deconstructs the meaning of compassion through several moving stories, and proposes a new, more attainable definition for the word. Poems all come to me differently. And if youd like to know more, we suggest you start with our Foundations for Being Alive Now. But something I started thinking, with this frame, really, this sense of homecoming and our belonging in the natural world runs all the way through every single one of your poems. A dream. And actually, it seemed to me that your marriage was in fine shape. Krista Tippett is a Peabody-award winning broadcaster, National Humanities Medalist, and New York Times bestselling author. He works with wood, and he works with other people who work with their hands making beautiful, useful things. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. Thats such a wonderful question. She hosted On Being on the radio for about two decades. But I think the biggest thing for me is to begin with silence. Theres how I dont answer the phone, and how I sometimes like to lie down on the floor in the kitchen and pretend Im not home when people knock. There is also an ordinary and abundant unfolding of dignity and care and generosity, of social creativity and evolution and breakthrough. I wrote it and then I immediately sent it to an editor whos a friend of mine and said, I dont know if you want this. And it was up the next day on the website. Yet whats most stunning is how presciently and exquisitely Ocean spoke, and continues to speak, to the world we have since come to inhabit its heartbreak and its poetry, its possibilities for loss and for finding new life. Tippett: And you have said that you fell in love with poetry in high school. if we launched our demands into the sky, made ourselves so big Krista Tippett (2) Rsultats tris par. Yes I am. But I trust those moments. by even the ageless woods, the shortgrass plains, the Red River Gorge, the fistful of land left. could save the hireling and the slave? On Being with Krista Tippett. And so thats really a lot of how I was raised. So I think there was a lot of, not only was it music, but then it was music in Spanish. Wilkerson, winner of the Pulitzer Prize and the National Humanities Medal, has become a leading figure in narrative nonfiction with The Warmth of Other Suns and Caste. Yeah. Can you locate that? So the poem you wrote, Joint Custody. You get asked to read it. My familys all in California. I dont expect you to have the page number memorized. Tippett: And this is about your childhood, right? And there are times where I think people have said as a child, Oh, you come from a broken home. And I remember thinking, Its not broken, its just bigger. The science of awe. Sometimes it sounds, sometimes its image, sometimes its a note from a friend with the word lover. What, she asks, if we get this right? We say, Oh, I want to write about this flower. And then we say, Why this flower? And it sounds like thunder? We keep forgetting about Antlia, Centaurus, But mostly were forgetting were dead stars too, my mouth is full, of dust and I wish to reclaim the rising, to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward. Becoming whole, she teaches, is not about eradicating our wounds and weaknesses; rather, the way we deal with losses, large and small, shapes our capacity to be present to all of our experiences. We can forget this. No, really I was. Thats so wonderful. A student of change and of how groups change together. to lean in the spotlight of streetlight with you, toward Once it has been witnessed, and buried, I go about my day, which isnt, ordinary, exactly, because nothing is ordinary, now even when it is ordinary. And were at a new place, but we have to carry and process that. Harley at seven years old. Just the title of this, I feel is such an invitation and not the kind of invitation that was being made. Mosaque Liste Walking in Wonder Eternal Wisdom for a Modern World - ebook (ePub) John Quinn . We offer it here as an audio experience, and we think you will enjoy being in the room retroactively. We have been in the sun. Tippett has interviewed guests ranging from poets to physicists, doctors to historians, artists to activists. [laughter] Where some of you were like, Eww, as soon as I said it. It makes room for all of these things that can also be It holds all the truths at once too. But in reality its home to so many different kind of wildlife. Copyright 2023. I spoke with Ada Limn at the Ted Mann Concert Hall in Minneapolis. But I think there was something deeper going on there, which was that idea of, Oh, this is when you pack up and you move. And I even had a pet mouse named Fred, which you would think I wouldve had a more creative name for the mouse, but his name was Fred. Want to Read. Yeah. It was interesting to me to realize how people turned to you in pandemic because of who you are, it sounds like. When you open the page, theres already silence. You boiled it down. Krista Tippett: I really believe that poetry is something we humans need almost as much as we need water and air. I get four parents that come to the school nights. And I felt like I was not brave enough to own that for myself. Dr. Rachel Naomi Remen is one of the wise people in our world. I have a lot of poems that basically are that. And I found it really useful, a really useful tool to go back in and start to think about what was just no longer true, or maybe had never been true. I think this poem, for me, is very much about learning to find a home and a sense of belonging in a world where being at peace is actually frowned upon. Two entirely different brains. Tippett: as you said, to give instruction or answers, where to give answers would be to disrespect the gravity of the questions. It has ever and always been true, David Whyte reminds us, that so much of human experience is a conversation between loss and celebration. Tippett: several years later and a changed world later. This might be hard for some of you right here. And for a long time Sundays kind of unsettled me, even as an adult. like something almost worth living for. , its woven through everything. Or, Im suffering, or Right. inward and the looking up, enough of the gun, the drama, and the acquaintances suicide, the long-lost, letter on the dresser, enough of the longing and, the ego and the obliteration of ego, enough, of the mother and the child and the father and the child, and enough of the pointing to the world, weary. Amidst all of the perspectives and arguments around our ecological future, this much is true: we are not in the natural world we are part of it. Youre never like, Oh, Im just done grieving. I mean, you can pretend you are, right, but we arent. The conversation that resulted with the Jewish-Buddhist teacher and psychotherapist Sylvia Boorstein has been a companion to her and to many from that day forward. So I think were going to just have a lot of poetry tonight. And it says, You are here. And I felt like every day Id write a poem was literally putting that little, You are here dot on a map. I am a hearth of spiders these days: a nest of trying. It wasnt used as a tool. And if you cant have hope, I think we need a little awe, or a little wonder, or at least a little curiosity. So well just be on an adventure together. Theres shower silent and bath silent and California silent and Kentucky silent and car silent and then theres a silence that comes back, a million times bigger than me, sneaks into my bones and wails and wails and wails until I cant be quiet anymore. Tippett: Just back to this idea that there is this organic automatically breathing thing of which were part, and that we even have to rediscover that. I have your books, and theres some, too. Yeah. And that between space was the only space that really made sense to me. We speak the language of questions. "Beauty isn't all about just nice loveliness, like," O'Donohue tells Tippett. And then Ill say this, that the Library of Congress, theyre amazing, and the Librarian of Congress, Dr. Carla Hayden, had me read this poem, so. when it flickers, when it folds up so perfectly I think its definitely a writing prompt too, right? if we declared a clean night, if we stopped being terrified. and gloss. I almost think that this poem could be used as a meditation. Yeah. The listener wants to understand the humanity behind the words of the other, and patiently summons one's own best self and one's own best words and questions.". Sometimes its just staring out the window. And you also wrote about that, and you also wrote this essay. And so I gave up on it. And theyre like, Oh, I didnt know that was a thing.. Its so interesting because I feel like one of the things as you age, as an artist, as a human being, you start to rethink the stories that people have told you and start to wonder what was useful and what was not useful. We point out the stars that make Orion as we take out We get curious, we interrogate, and we ask over and over again. Im so excited for your tenure representing poetry and representing all of us, and Im excited that you have so many more years of aging and writing and getting wiser ahead, and we got to be here at this early stage. Limn: Yeah, I was convinced. bliss before you know People will ask me a lot about my process and it is, like I said, silence. You said there in a place, as Ive aged, I have more time for tenderness, for the poems that are so earnest they melt your spine a little. So it felt right to listen again to one of our most beloved shows of this post-2020 world. All came, and still comes, from the natural world. And I feel like poetry makes the world for that experience, as opposed to: Im fine.. Precisely at a moment like this, of vast aching open questions and very few answers we can agree on, our questions themselves become powerful tools for living and growing. I think there was also he also was a singer, so he would just sing. Limn: Yeah. This conversational nature of reality indeed, this drama of vitality is something we have all been shown, willing or unwilling, in these years. snaking underneath us as we absentmindly sing She hosts the On Being podcast and leads The On Being Project, a non-profit media and public life initiative that pursues deep thinking and moral imagination, social courage and joy, towards the renewal of inner life, outer life, and life together. Learn more at. Flipboard. Yet her lifelong struggle with Crohns Disease and her pioneering work with cancer patients shaped her view of life. Tippett: No, theres so much to enjoy. So in The Carrying, there are these two poems on facing pages, that both have fire in the title. Deeper truths and larger stories of ourselves as societies, as a planet, as humans, that at once complicate and enliven our capacity to live with dignity and joy and wholeness. The thesis is still the wind. The thesis is still a river. The thesis has never been exile., Yeah. It unfolded at the Ted Mann Concert Hall in Minneapolis, in collaboration with Northrop at the University of Minnesota and Ada Limns publisher, Milkweed Editions. Tippett: And we were given to remember that civilization is built on something so tender as bodies breathing in proximity to other bodies. [laughs] Oh my. Suppose its easy to slip are your bones, and your bones are my bones, Yet whats most stunning is how presciently and exquisitely Ocean spoke, and continues to speak, to the world we have since come to inhabit its heartbreak and its poetry, its possibilities for loss and for finding new life. My mother says, Oh yeah, you say that now.. She trained as a doctor in a generation that understood death as a failure of medicine. Yes. squeal with the idea of blissful release, oh lover. What if we stood up with our synapses and flesh and said, No. Youre never like, Oh, Im just done grieving. I mean, you can pretend you are, right, but we arent. And for us, it was Sundays. I think thats something we didnt know how to talk about. What is the thesis word or the wind? And its funny to tell people that youre raised an atheist because theyre like, Really? But I was. s wisdom and her poetry a refreshing, full-body experience of how this way with words and sound and silence teaches us about being human at all times, but especially now. The poets brain is always like that, but theres a little I was just doing the wash, and I was like, Casual, warm, and normal. And I was like, Ooh, I could really go for that.. rough wind, chicken legs, And poetry, and poetry. [audience laughs] And he had a little cage, I would make sure he was And he would get bundled up and carried from house to house. And you could so a lot of what he knew in Spanish and remembered in Spanish were songs. With an unexpected and exuberant mix of gravity and laughter laughter of delight, and of blessed relief this conversation holds not only what we have traversed these last years, but how we live forward. It touches almost every aspect of human life in almost every society around the world right now. Tippett: You said a minute ago that the poetry has breath built into it, and you said also that, you have said: its meant to make us breathe. You said there in a place, as Ive aged, I have more time for tenderness, for the poems that are so earnest they melt your spine a little. Tippett: You hosted this, The Slowdown podcast, this great poetry podcast for a while and. big enough not to let go: You should take a nap.. But the song didnt mean anything, just a call, to the field, something to get through before, the pummeling of youth. Page 40. Every week, the show hosts thoughtful . So I love it when I feel like the conversations Im having start to be in conversation with each other. If you think about it, its not a good Page 87. And now we have watched it in these 25 years go from strength, to strength, to strength. Find them at, Dedicated to reconnecting ecology, culture, and spirituality. Special thanks this week to Daniel Slager, Yanna Demkiewicz, and Katie Hill at Milkweed Editions. We meet longings for justice and healing by equipping for reflection, repair, and joy. I love it that youre already thinking that. I grew up in Glen Ellen in Sonoma, California, born and raised. (Unedited) The Dalai Lama, Jonathan Sacks, Katharine Jefferts Schori, and Seyyed Hossein Nasr with Krista Tippett. And I feel like its very interesting when you actually have to get away from it, because you can also do the other thing where you focus too much on the breath. And that feels like its an active thing as opposed to a finished thing, a closed thing. Tippett: The thesis. And I hope, I dont think anybody here will mind. A special offering from Krista Tippett and all of us at On Being: an incredible, celebratory event listening back and remembering forwards across 20 years of this show in the good company of our beloved friend and former guest, Rev. I never go there very much anymore. And: advance invitations and news on all things On Being, of course, The On Being Project I feel like that between space, that liminal space, is a place where we were living for so long, and many of us still living in that between space of, How do I go into the world safely, and how do I move through the world with safety and care-take myself and care-take others. and snowshoes, maple and seeds, samara and shoot, enough chiaroscuro, enough of thus and prophecy, and the stoic farmer and faith and our father and tis, of thee, enough of bosom and bud, skin and god. like the flag, how it undulates in the wind Im really glad youre enjoying it because theres many more decades. Weve come this far, survived this much. Ada Limn. even the tenacious high school band off key. the Red River Gorge, the fistful of land left Why are all these blank spaces? It has silence built all around it. In her Peabody-award winning public radio show and podcast, On Being, Krista Tippett provides a space for deep and meaningful conversations with profound thi. [laughter]. Talk about any of the limits of language, the failure of language. You boiled it down. for it again, the hazardous And it is definitely wine country and all of the things that go along with that. Sylvia gifts us this teaching: that nurturing childrens inner lives can be woven into the fabric of our days and that nurturing ourselves is also good for the children and everyone else in our lives. Where being at ease is not okay. Before the koi were all eaten Thats page 95. She founded and leads the On Being Project ( www.onbeing.org )a groundbreaking media and public life . Limn: and you forget how to breathe. Limn: Yeah. a certain light does a certain thing, enough the world walking in, ready to be ravaged, open for business. And I think about that all the time. by being not a witness, Easy light storms in through the window, soft, edges of the world, smudged by mist, a squirrels, nest rigged high in the maple. And coming in future weeks, is a conversation with a technologist and artist named James Bridle, whose point is that language itself, the sounds we made and the words we finally formed, and the imagery and the metaphors were all primally, organically rooted in the natural world of which we were part. Oh, Im stressed. Oh, if you want to know about stress, let me tell you, Im stressed., I like to tell my friends when they say theyre really stressed, Ill be like, Oh, I took the most wonderful nap. And we all have this, our childhood stories. Oh, thank you. This conversation shines a light on an emerging ecosystem in our world over and against the drumbeat of what is fractured and breaking: working with the complex fullness of reality, and cultivating old and new ways of seeing, to move towards a transformative wholeness of living. The thesis is still the wind. The thesis is still a river. The thesis has never been exile., Limn: Yeah. Between Find them at fetzer.org. And I think about that all the time. And I was feeling very isolated. Its almost romantic as we adjust the waxy blue Because I love this poem, and no one has ever asked me to read this poem. Krista Tippett is the creator and host of the On Being and Becoming Wise podcasts as well as curator of The Civil Conversations Project. So it felt right to listen again to one of our most beloved shows of this post-2020 world. So well just be on an adventure together. What Amanda has been gathering by way of answers to that question is an extraordinary gift to us all. BOB ABERNETHY, anchor: We have a profile today of Krista Tippett, the host of the weekly public radio conversation "Speaking of Faith," which won a Peabody Award this week. Limn: When I lived in New York City, my two best friends, I would always try to get them to go to yoga with me. tags: curiosity , listening , oral-history , vulnerability. Tippett: Were back at the natural world of metaphors and belonging. Something I remember reading is that you grew up in an English-speaking household, but your paternal grandfather spoke Spanish and that you just loved to listen to him. All right. I will trust the world and I will feel at peace. And this time, what came to me as I stood and looked at the trees was that Oh, it isnt just me looking. And now Tippett has done it again. Tippett: I guess maybe you had to quit doing that since you had this new job. The Hearthland Foundation. I think that there is a lot about trying to figure out who we are with ourselves. So its this weird moment of being aware of it and then also letting it go at the same time. Youre going to be like, huh. Or youll just be like, That makes total sense to me., At the top of the mountain now even when it is ordinary. Yeah. I think the failure of language is what really draws me to poetry in general. Why did I never see it for what it was: In fact, my mother is and was an atheist. Enough of osseous and chickadee and sunflower We are in the final weeks as On Being evolves to its next chapter in a world that is evolving, each of us changed in myriad ways we've only begun to process and fathom. letter on the dresser, enough of the longing and I am asking you to touch me. Krista Tippett is a Peabody-award winning broadcaster, National Humanities Medalist, and New York Times bestselling author. And this poem was basically a list of all the poems I didnt think I could write, because it was the early days of the pandemic, and I kept thinking, just that poetry had kind of given up on me, I guess. And one of them this is also on The Hurting Kind is Lover, which is page 77. And it was an incredible treat to interview her before 1,000 people, packed together in a concert hall on a cold Minnesota night. Musings and tools to take into your week. [audience laughs] But instead to really have this moment of, Oh, no, its our work together to see one another. For her voice of insistent honesty and wholeness and wisdom and joyfulness. And it was this moment of like, Oh, this is abundance. So I want to do two more, also from The Carrying. But if you look at even the letters we use in our the A actually was initially a drawing of an ox, and M was water. I mean, thats how we read. Why dont you read The Quiet Machine? We want to meet what is hard and hurting. Once it has been witnessed Too high for most of us with the rockets I remember having this experience I was sort of very deeply alone during the early days of the pandemic when my husbands work brought him to another state. whats larger within us, toward how we were born. Yeah. , which was a couple of years before that, certainly pre-pandemic, in the before times, was the way you wrote, a way that you spoke of the same story of yourself. It brings us back to something your grandmother was right about, for reasons she would never have imagined: you are what you eat. And for us, it was Sundays. Limn: I think its definitely a writing prompt too, right? These are heavier, page 86 and page 87. And I think its in that category. And its continual and that it hits you sometimes. Just uncertainty is so hard on our bodies. July 4, 2022 9:00 am. So would you read, its called Before, page 46. Shes written six books of poetry, most recently, won the National Book Critics Circle Award for Poetry, and her volume, . Im learning so many different ways to be quiet. I chose a couple of poems that you wrote again that kind of speak to this. Because I was teaching on Zoom, and I was just a face, and I found myself being very comfortable with just being a face, and with just being a head. She loves the ocean. And what of the stanzas And then I would say in terms of the sacred, it was always the natural world. And to not have that bifurcated for a moment. Is where that poem came from. of age. That just took me back to this moment in the pandemic where I took so many walks in my neighborhood that Ive lived in for so many years and saw things Id never seen before, including these massive Just suddenly looking down where the trees were and seeing and understanding, just really having this moment where I understood that its their neighborhood and Im living in it. 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